All of these displays can be related to life we see to this very day. She can only choose between two things. After reading this passage I believe that Marcus is a rather demeaning character, with an utterly drastic tone of bitterness. Marcus starts off by saying you have sinned greatly and maybe I too; but this much is certain: Adam sinned after Eve had. All 3 characters were slaves of money and desicions and consciousness were greatly afflicted by their economic well being. From beginning to end all Nora thinks about is herself and her well-being. However, if Marcus' letter is indeed a future version of the letter Helmer is going to write to Nora, I do not believe Helmer would be far more demanding than Marcus because because Helmer's main concern is his dignity. Does he accept any responsibility for their separation? But just abandoning the kids with the husband, the one she herself wants to escape from, makes me uneasy about her true intentions. Nothing surprising for me here in this letter. If Ulrike she does what she's told and doesn't rock the boat, everything will be alright. WebSummary and Analysis Letter 3. So under all that reprimanding and power it seems that the husbands are crippled and need their wives to come back. It has an effect on my overall life which is somewhat hard to explain. As I read Marcus's letter to his wife, it reminded me a lot of the type of relationship that Nora and Torvald had. So, to remind you of what your obligations are, of what you signed onto, here's a copy of the contract I read to the Rabbi". WebBarker for stimulating discussions and the solution to one of the problems; William Waite for pictures from his antique math collection; and Peter Cromwell, Lord & Lady Dunsany, Peter Knoppers, John Lienhard, John Mainstone, David Nicholls, Paul and Colin Roberts, Anders Sandberg, John Sullivan, and others for their valuable contributions. Tuft uses the comparison to delve into Nora's true character and complexity which is opposite to the assumption that the play is an agent for female strength and independence. Torvald was mostly lovey-dovey with her making sure Nora had her every wish that he could give her. You explore the feelings of a man desperate in the heat of loosing his job, and wife trying to hide the debt she has obtained from her husband. He is very controlling. I think another major difference is just the relationship itself, I mean from what I read in this letter there is no love between Marcus and his wife it's all just duty to one another and the children. Chillingworth lies that he's been held captive by Indians. He makes it certain that these are demands for my pattern, and that is only a list of failure and unhappiness in marriage. When she spoke with Anne Marie about how she left her children to take care of her, she was just using that information to talk about herself, questioning what would happen if she left her children. Well, actually, maybe during his time, this was the concept many men had of marriage. A Marxist Approach to A Doll house show how a female role relies on a male. So it is with us; you, alone, carry the guilt of all the misfortune which, however, I helped to enlarge later by my behavior.(Marcuss Letter) He is basically saying its all her fault for their separation. Nora put herself before her family when deciding to walk out on them because of a situation that did not go her way. He thought their home and family was happy. Almost slave like relationship. He is almost warning her that if she doesn't come home, she will be worse off than if she stayed. By taking into consideration of Nora's relationship with Dr. Rank in addition to her husband, Nora can be easily seen as Narcissistic. Mrs. Linde depends on Torvald to provide her with a job and she is able to get the job because she a widow. The only one could be that Torvald was harsh to Nora saying she was a child and he would have to take care of her. To what extent dos he accept responsibility for their separation? The letter definitely speaks to the time period. The rest of the letter identifies rules and obligation the wife must follow, starting with laundry and ending with NEVER making visit in HER HUSBANDS ABSENCE. What significant similarities and difference you Narcissistic -- means being in love with yourself and Tufts get this quite right. Webwife does not follow my wishes but believes herself to be entitled to act on her own, even if this is totally against my orders. Marcus tone in this letter was arrogant, controlling and outlandish to the point where I wouldnt come back home to him. Torvald believes he truly loves Nora; however, he doesn't realize that he's only married to her for his reputation and image. What I'm trying to say is I agree with the idea that capitalism has put these characters in their positions, but I disagree with the idea that capitalism lead them to make the decisions they made. He simply says she can return if she wants, but only if she makes some changes. I dint think it at first, but after reading and looking deeper into the play I see how self-fish Nora is. This means that not only is she in breech of contract with her husband and children, but also with God. He says that she must follow HIS wishes: she is basically his servant, his slave. helmer also gets angry while stating he wants her to stay and she needs to rethink her decision. Even if she did not bond with her children right after birth, parents grow to love them. He was disappointed that knowing the role society has for her in his family and how that reflects upon him, yet she chose to shame them. In the letter, Marcus also sets circumstances under which his wife can return to his home.But at the end, I don't think they have any right to say that they are real men. She hardly ever cares for her children and when she does, it is to play with them. I guess by those standards, everyone is a narcissist. Since the beginning all she ever really cared about is money and how its so important to have, instead of having family as her number one priority. Life is all about compromise. In the Victorian era, men were the ones with the jobs and it was the woman's job to find a man with a good reputation and a good salary so they can continue their family legacy and live comfortably. He is very verbally abusive. He said because of this she has to carry all the guilt and he is justifying himself for making his mistake. In that time, as the letter shows, a wife did not have much say so in a relationship besides taking care of the children and running the household. Furthermore if such decision making power she had then whey has she ignored Dr. Ranks condition? Both men are the head of the household and both men dominate their wives, but I believe Marcus is more badly then Torvald. John Downes letter to his wife creates an enthusiastic, persuasive tone to try to convince her to leave England and come to the United States. MM wants us to think she generously shared her wisdom (and her salsa) with the former First Lady, who needed her finger placed on the zeitgeist as MMand only Meghan!can do. But as a parent, it was her duty to stay for the children and to care for them. A similarity that I see is that they both want their wife's back. As Nora was in pursuit of success, and riches, she was fulfilling her egoistic desires while at the same time repressing the need of finding herself as a person. Marcus focuses on the problems of his wife, instead of his own faults. I think that a letter to Nora written by Helmer would be filled with persuasion, while being a little deceitful, would make a convincing argument as to why she should return home and probably flatter her a little. I agree. I feel he treated her more as an object then his wife or a human being. Marcus and Torvald are similar in that, they both seem to treat their wives as if they are behaving like defective property. Nora basically has no human freedom as she has to pick from two options be out-casted by everyone she knows and be tormented or come back to him. For most people it worked and they believed to be happy with it. She sees herself as the center of the universe, and everyone should cater to her every whim. (Genesis 3:13) Marcus compares him and his wife Ulrike to Adam and Eve, stating that he like Adam only sinned as a result of Eve, vindicating himself of her actions.The experience of Marcus and Ulrike is similar to A Doll House however only in a few ways such as Torvald's decision to lay the sole blame on Nora and his expectation of her wifely duties after receiving the initial letter from Krogstad. Rather than celebrate feminist causes, they'll identify with an individual's desire for self-actualization and debate about the validity of Nora's actions. Sometimes people need to get away from things to clear their head and think. You win some and you lose some. Rhetorical Analysis Of Benjamin Banneker Letter 535 Words | 3 Pages Marcus is using his assertiveness as a way to instill shame and guilt into the heart of his estranged wife. If she had not wanted to spend her life attatched to Torvald andher children, why get herslef stuck in the situation in the first place? The act as if they have all the control and base all there actions upon that.They have many similarities, in the controlling part and in the fact that they believe as men & husbands they have the upperhand with everything that goes on. Not knowing the truth to this passage, Marcus would take his wife back under the condition that he would enslaved her as a wife. @'uP!&Z`yvSXKQiCsTPWa{:}|J==[Sp Abandoning the family and kids were considered something very shameful and against any moral law of the time. She also shows that she is a narcissist when she flaunts her money in front of Mrs.Linde. But the kids - they certainly will suffer from this entire ordeal. children. When Marcus's wife left him I believe he may have been angry but moreover he was disappointed, disappointed that his love and wife of many years decided to walk out on him and their children. Marcus, without his wife actions and is in need of her assistants. WebA person's tone is often an indicator of their feelings or emotions, but it wouldn't be described with emotion or feeling words. Nora is simply selfish. It doesnt matter what we think about it today, but back then a women was not able to get a job if she abandoned her family so I am positive that it was the wife that initiated the process of returning to her husband and not vice versa. He is even certain that his wife will return to him, because he believes his argument to be without fault. And its expected since Adam sinned after Eve. She left these commitments of being a mother, a wife, and a friends. He is attempting to inform her that hes fine without her, but the children and the house arent. The letter to Ulrike is not one that would convince me to come back home. He is so obsessed with how she's going to look in one particular dress he doesn't even ask how shes doing.For Marcus, he creates such a demand for his, its hard for him to love someone who he makes do so much. After reading Tuft's article, I completely agree with Nora as a Narcissist. I would look at her motive did Nora do all she did - just for herself? He had to keep his wife in perfect conditionlike a delicate set of China. The tone of Marcuss letter to his wife is very strict and bitter. The text is not feminist due to the fact that Nora is not standing up for some rights giving by women. She has free will. Webcheap houses for rent in davidson county. Nora no longer wanted to be a wife nor mother, Nora only concern was herself. I believe Tuft's purpose and reasoning on why Nora is a narcissist is a true statement that can be proven by Nora's actions and comparing them to Tuft's list of narcissistic personality traits. When she leaves her family at the end of the play, her excuse may be that she finally wants to be in control of her own life and make her own decisions which on that side who can blame her? The tone of his voice was demanding and mean. He wants Ulrike to be satisfied with the position she has in his life and the lives of their children. For some peopole, the belief is to stick with your family through thick and thin. Socit; Collections. Her job is to serve his every whim. Aside from a brief mention of their family (their children and their extended families), there isn't a personal tone in the words written. He is not so angry though, in fact, by the very end of the story, he seems to have a sudden hope enter him. For Krogstad he needs his money not for himself and for his family and their stake and compares himself to his past love decision to stay in a hapless marriage because of money. I mean she was like his little doll and she did fulfill her duties like she should but that wasn't enough. But now I doubt that Helmer could have wrote to his wife. His tone of the letter comes off as authoritative, egotistic, extremely critical, threatening and domineering. (As stated by Kathleen) In the first two sentences he starts off the letter by, You have sinned greatly- and maybe I too; but this much is certain: Adam sinned after Eve has already sinned. While yes, these things seem as though they are narcissistic roles, but if a lady has no other option, then the role of a housewife of this time period can really lead no where else besides egocentricity. The relationship between Nora and Torvald although there was some duty in it as well I truly do believe they cared for one another. Marcus knows that will never bring her true happiness, but he himself must always feel secure. Both Marcus and Helmer are angry because the the thing that they thought they had their grasp around is slipping from their fingers. His tone suggests that Marcus is simply giving his wife the option to return home, but doesn't fully care whether she does or not.There are few moments in the letter where Marcus actually does take some responsibility for their separation. Or if she even desires to? Ibsen uses not use as only Nora and Torvald, but every single character big or small to ask a question on human freedom. He even proposed a schedule for them, to follow in order for their home to be happy; but with the same routine happening over and over again, happiness will soon disintegrate and the family will crumble yet again. It would be humiliating to receive this letter. She is very self-absorbed. This comment has been removed by the author. In its negative sense, it is the use of rumors, lies, disinformation, and scare tactics in order to damage or promote a cause. After reading his letter, it also seemed like Marcus was viewing his wife on the level of slave. % I think that is why they had to find a way to escape all of it, because money really isn't everything they just wanted to find some kind of happiness instead of always being controlled. The tone of the letter described a lack of maturity and a presence of self entitlement inherent in the voice of the writer. The husband takes responsibility for his actions only in the form of basically stating that he may have been wrong but, "she started it". You observe the emotions of a man who loved a woman that didn't love him, and you see a possible workaholic father typical of his era. So without knowing further details about the case I reserve my further judgment. However, all this has to be done without making him look weak, vulnerable and helpless without her. I am sure about it. Marcus' letter displayed no expression of love toward his wife. I also agree with what Oksana said about how Marcus views his wife in a "role of a slave". You see aspects of so many personalities explored and ever changing throughout the whole play. WebHis wife, Abigail Smith Adams was wrote constantly to him on the conditions of wartime Boston which had been held by the British.The city had been liberated by George Washingtons army just before these letters were written. One, which is not to be left alone and no way to support her family and two, to go to Italy. Marcus's letter reminded me of someone who writes something to a person that left them, blaming everything on that person. Along with the letter is enclosed instruction with what Ulrike must do or what will happen. The husband's words paint an unwillingness to change what is worthy of change and a state of ignorant immaturity. Nora was just as much as at fault as Helmer, he reacted poorly to her actions, and she reacted even worse, leaving completely. Which is very childlike and well you did it first so ha. Nora needed to find herself as many people do. Their marriages must remain intact to silence slanderous lips. He'll still treat her like a child and order her around. A Nineteenth-Century Husband's Letter to His Wife displayed the backward thinking which led to the end results of Ibsen's play. Freedom is anonymity and she expresses that when she leaves because she is going to be all alone in this world. Tufts argues the fact that Nora is narcissistic - because in the end she thinks only of her well being and only about herself right before she leaves. The list of things he presented for her to obey to made me imagine him as a wicked step mother giving orders to Cinderella. !z4eSLA};q".]X'.U_>*rZ/zyW}qY__-w/\|yp[qyfyVq}]}tD"pB/'|. Judging from this passage it seems that Marcus wants everything his way, and if that is not respected then his wife must pay the consequences. He takes a stand is telling his wife either she does what he wants and fulfills her wifely duties like she should or she'll be alone with no money, no husband, and no kids, which at those times meant she had NOTHING at all and that was the worst case scenario for anyone. When Dr. Rank informs Nora of his expectation to die and the worst of his suffering to begin, she first berates him for being "completely unreasonable" (1533 Norton Anthology) and then goes as far as putting her hands over her ears to ignoring him. However, in spite of his kindness, Torvald is insecure as well. I did not consider the character of the maid, Anne-Marie, who seems to be the most content of them all and is the lowest on the economic stratum. Both men dominate over their wives and both men want their wives to come back, but the reader/watcher can see that Torvald truly does care for Nora, while it just seems to me that Marcus only has a wife for the purpose of having someone to serve him. In fact, during the whole beginning of the letter, he states, "you, alone, carry the guilt of all the misfortune." Similar to Marcus in the letter, and Torvald in the play A Doll's House, with men treat their wife's as second class citizens. Who is the victim here? However, it seems strange that at the time of Torvald's promotion she finally left. That, of course, is far from the truth. WebThe husband should give his wife his entire confidence and share the income, expected income with her so that a desired sum of money is given to the wife at a regular and These are just two different ways for each person to deal with the break up and every person is different. That can't possibly be true, it is not a take take take relationship. I beleive that Helmer would have wrote a letter to Nora demanding that he be given the chance to meet her challenge to get to know who she is and to be the man that she invisioned him to be. Webmature wife pussy pics. we are hairy teens. Marcus claims thats it is her stubbornness and ambitions that prevents them to be his wife again but this is why she doesnt want to be envied and this is why she is leaving.Significant similarities between Marcus and Torvald is the idea that the husband needs to be paid back for the things that he has done for his wife. Marcus is very similar to Torvald, since they both believe their wives to be insufficient and incapable of thinking and living for themselves. But Marcus decided to blame his wife for his acting like what Eve did to Adam. The ending to the play speaks wonders to Noras narcissistic character. For his part, Marcus does not accept responsibility for their separation. Her main focuses are how much money her husband gives her, how much money her husband will make, and keeping her "secret" private so she won't look bad in society. He basically begged her to stay. Nora does display some characteristics of a narcissist that are given by Tuft. I don't think that the specific time made them act certain way. WebThe colonel tried to shoot him down before he left the plantation and promised to shoot him the next time he saw him. Easy. Torvald does admit his mistake and begs Nora to stay, while Marcus pretty much says, "I was partially wrong for the way I acted, but I don't really care whether to come back or not." That I can say is true because Nora did not have a job of her own other than tendingto the house and basically spending Torvald's money. I don't think it would so much discuss her wrong-doings.This letter to Ulrike is basically a critique of her personality and what she will have to do to reenter her husbands life, but how can he be so sure that she will willingly reenter his life? Torvald even goes so far as to beg his wife suggestions on how he could change, how he could make things right. She also had a preoccupation with an ideal love story and when that kove story did not play out in the end, she left. I don't think any character is narcissistic because at some point in the story every character admits to/ display obvious flaws. It was easy to see Noras role as a pre-feminist role or as from a humanist perspective. If not, Nora wouldn't have done what she did for her husband. It amazes me that you could be so unfeeling as to send me your wedding picture. How I wish that I had nothing to do with you either. Since her husband did not react to the way she wanted to when discovering Krogstad's letter, she reacted with shame and rage with how Torvald did not accept her actions. It is interesting to see how Marcus talks down to his wife, even going as far as giving her a list of orders. Though at the first glance it is hidden from view once you read it again you will see it more clearly. Marcus puts the blame almost entirely on his wife as the root of the problem. While Marcus just tell her to leave, that even though she sinnes maybe he did too, but she did it first. She has nothing and no one is going to "see" her and this is what she wants. (BedFord 1765) However, as much as he blames his wife for the destruction of their family reputation, he does take some responsibility; it should be noted that the word "some" might be an overstatement. he is dictating to his wife in this letter as well. WebIn 1345 Italian scholar, poet and humanist Francesco Petrarca (Petrarch) discovered Cicero's Letters to Titus Pomponius Atticus in the Biblioteca Capitolare della Cattedrale di Verona. Thats such a gross over simplification of the problems Nora was going through, it wasn't just capitalism that made her do these things, it completely turns these personal decision and thoughts into a reason for a socialized economy. Like it or not that was a social arrangement of the day. WebThis quote tells us that John sees himself as superior to his wife, who is something to be laughed at. If his wishes are fulfilled then other women will be jealous of the way she lives her life with her husband. this is very similar to Helmer in A Dolls House. I'm not saying I disagree with the Marxists approach, in fact I agree with it 100%, but I just think it went without saying, I don't think its necessary to have Marxist approach to A Doll's House, only because that was how economics were one hundred years or so ago. He states, " you will have to follow my wishes." Due to all the things going on economically and the accusations against Nora that she would come to a decision on her own to stop it. From this passage I can tell that Marcus is a very demanding man, and wants his wife to live up to the expectations being portrayed in this present day. She wanted to test Torvald's love to her through the financial situation she stuck herself into because of her own love for him. 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